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If that happened, I wouldn't be happy, but at least it would be democracy - or at least as close as our system can get. People would be voting with their eyes open, and will understand the consequences. I'd shut up at that point.
I wouldn't, its outright manipulation.Joan wrote: ↑4 years agoIf that happened, I wouldn't be happy, but at least it would be democracy - or at least as close as our system can get. People would be voting with their eyes open, and will understand the consequences. I'd shut up at that point.
Frankly, we would deserve whatever happens next.
You presume too much about my memory, and the search function appears not to be able to do "search for all posts by User X in this thread".
(a) No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that when you poke the supposed (leftwing) "valid reasons to leave" they fall over - because they are things that people claim you can't do within the EU which you actually can do, or could easily do if you tried. And you don't even need to poke the supposed rightwing "valid reasons to leave" to make them fall over because they're vacuous or simply obviously factually wrong ("Laws forced on us by Brussels", "Take back control", "£350m per week").JohnToo wrote: ↑4 years agoPresumably what you are saying is that none of the detriments of belonging to the EU are big enough to justify the costs of leaving. I happen to agree, but it's a judgement call, and I recognise that intelligent, thoughtful people can take the opposite view. Whereas, are you really saying that every single person who support leave is completely deluded?
How Rory Stewart voted on Social Issues
So he followed the whip? <shrugs>Regulator wrote: ↑4 years agoHow Rory Stewart voted on Social Issues
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
How Rory Stewart voted on Foreign Policy and Defence
Almost always voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations
Voted against investigations into the Iraq
Consistently voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons
Generally voted against more EU integration
Generally voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU
Generally voted against strengthening the Military Covenant (yep – you read that right!)
Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
Generally voted against UK membership of the EU
How Rory Stewart voted on Welfare and Benefits
Generally voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax")
Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Almost always voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
Generally voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed
How Rory Stewart voted on Taxation and Employment
Almost always voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000
Generally voted against a banker’s bonus tax
Almost always voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity
Almost always voted for reducing capital gains tax
How Rory Stewart voted on Business and the Economy
Almost always voted for reducing the rate of corporation tax
Almost always voted for new high speed rail infrastructure
How Rory Stewart voted on Health
Consistently voted against restricting the provision of services to private patients by the NHS
Consistently voted for reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients
Almost always voted against smoking bans
How Rory Stewart voted on Education
Voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per
Consistently voted for academy schools
Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
Consistently voted for university tuition fees.
How Rory Stewart voted on Constitutional Reform
Almost always voted for reducing central government funding of local government
Generally voted against a more proportional system for electing MPs
Almost always voted against transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly
Generally voted against transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament
Generally voted against more powers for local councils
Generally voted against a lower voting age
How Rory Stewart voted on Home Affairs
Consistently voted for a stricter asylum system
Consistently voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules
Consistently voted for requiring the mass retention of information about communications
Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
How Rory Stewart voted on Environmental Issues
Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change
Consistently voted for selling England’s state owned forests
Generally voted against financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods
Generally voted for culling badgers to tackle bovine tuberculosis
Generally voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas
Almost always voted for new high speed rail infrastructure
How Rory Stewart voted on Transport
Almost always voted against greater public control of bus services
Almost always voted against slowing the rise in rail fares
Generally voted against a publicly owned railway system
How Rory Stewart voted on Housing
Consistently voted for phasing out secure tenancies for life
Almost always voted for charging a market rent to high earners renting a council home
How Rory Stewart voted on Miscellaneous Topics
Consistently voted against greater regulation of gambling
Generally voted for the privatisation of Royal Mail
Generally voted against requiring pub companies to offer pub landlords rent-only leases
Generally voted for restricting the scope of legal aid
Consistently voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents
You'll have to forgive me if I don't shed a fecking tear for his political demise...
Quite. "MP votes with party policy" is hardly news. Even the serial rebels now in charge of Labour followed the whip most of the time for most of their career. Isn't there an anecdote about a couple of backbenchers being offended when a guest of theirs in a Westminster bar had the temerity to ask them what the vote they'd just been summoned for was about?
No - the Nuremberg defence was in the face of charges of committing or enabling mass murder and genocide. Which is rather different from doing one's job as an MP.
Tell that the families of the tens of thousands who have died as a result of the policies he voted for...
