Vaping in public spaces?

[Joan]

Relaxing vaping laws would cut smoking deaths, say MPs

I'm not on board. I am very happy our society has finally agreed that it is not OK to expel the residue of your drug habit on the people near by you. I think it would be a bad precedent to reverse that.

Sure, do everything they can to encourage smokers to change to e-cigarettes, but I think making nicotine use a social activity again is a retrograde step. Encourage the use of it everywhere the use of cigarettes is allowed, but not in shared enclosed spaces. There are already zero-emission ways of using nicotine (patches, gum). I no more want to come home smelling of artificial vanilla than I want to come home smelling of ash .

[Rocky]

I'd hate to see it become allowed in public spaces - I dislike the huge volumes of smoke and the slightly weird smells. The evidence is interesting and more nuanced than the MPs' report states. I like this summary of the issues from Nick Hopkinson (blogging about Public Health England's review of the evidence earlier this year ( https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/02/23/ni ... -evidence/ )

He states: 'vaping is not harmless and uptake by non-smokers should be discouraged. However, data so far suggest that use is confined almost entirely to current or ex-smokers. For ex-smokers, quitting e-cigarette use in the long term is also desirable, but not at the expense of relapse to smoking'. So this debate is about whether vaping is a better alternative to cigarette smoking for current smokers not whether it's safe to vape. There is also no mention of the effects on others of vaping.

[Mister Paul]

I'll accept it as long as I can cough crumbs upon the inhalent in return.

[Hill Wimp]

Nooooo why should we suffer the disgusting sickly smells from those pipes?

I admit if it's cut the numbers of smokers down that is excellent but it's still anti social to make others suffer the smells. They really are gross.

[Rutabaga]

Yes, it's bad enough walking down the street and getting a cloud of strawberry steam in your face, but on a bus or train it would be hideous. It's anti-social, as is eating smelly food on public transport, putting your feet on the seats, and listening to loud music, and none of those things are being campaigned for.

Anyway, I never bought into the notion that vaping was completely harmless, which I can remember an early adopter enthusiastically regaling me with years ago. Who knows what effects will come to light as time goes on?

[Markymark]

Not enough research into the long term effects on both the users and passive inhalers. It should be classified in the same way smoking is. And then both banned from all public spaces.

[Regulator]

It’s interesting that the MPs report was released just a week after new research showing the adverse effects of vaping on non-vapers...

[Hill Wimp]

It’s interesting that the MPs report was released just a week after new research showing the adverse effects of vaping on non-vapers...

What are their actual reasons for allowing it?

[Fabbers]

I find vaping more unpleasant than smoking in public. Can't understand why anyone would think allowing it in in public spaces is a good thing....
But then, rarely these days do I find anyone in Government of public life making any sense at all anyway....

[Joan]

Oi!

[Rutabaga]

I thought that! Poacher alert.

[Fabbers]

I thought that! Poacher alert.

To be fair, had thought about posting on CC before I saw it here...

However, will be interesting to see a different discussion. I expect all here agree somewhat, CC's debate will be different. Having similar topics being discussed in other forums is not against the rools is it?

[Rocky]

I'm sure it's not against the rules......there's nothing to stop someone taking the nuggets of our arguments and posting them on CC

(nuggets - did you see what I did there?)

[Joan]

rools

Hmm, let's see.

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[Rutabaga]

I thought there was a rule about no fighting?