It's not really that split, though, is it? On the one side you've got the Brexit party supporter Hoey, Kinnock and a handful of others who are scared for their seats and who don't understand that "leave seat" isn't the same thing as "must be leave to win" seat. Oh, and Jeremy Corbyn. On the other you've got everyone else. Plus the mass membership and now the cooked-up fudge of the unions.
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The "handful" as you describe them were sufficient to sink parliamentary votes that could've given us a way forward, so I would be inclined to be somewhat less glib. Whether or not Remain-supporting MPs representing marginal Leave constituencies risk losing their seats is only something we'll know at a general election, but it's hardly an unreasonable hypothesis.Iris wrote: ↑4 years agoIt's not really that split, though, is it? On the one side you've got the Brexit party supporter Hoey, Kinnock and a handful of others who are scared for their seats and who don't understand that "leave seat" isn't the same thing as "must be leave to win" seat. Oh, and Jeremy Corbyn. On the other you've got everyone else. Plus the mass membership and now the cooked-up fudge of the unions.
As for Corbyn, it's pretty clear that he could give you absolutely everything you want and you'd still find a way to be annoyed about it.
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Only if you don't understand (a) that people change their minds, (b) that most of their vote, as survey after survey has shown, came from remain supporters, (c) that some people vote on issues other than Brexit.
No - if he gave me what I wanted, which is for him to recognise that he's a fucking disaster and stand down, I'd be delighted. Until then, I'll stay furious. Almost anyone else as leader of Labour would by now have killed Brexit stone dead. Instead we've got the two worst party leaders of modern times chasing each other to take the country down the plughole.
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Some people say that Remainers can be somewhat arrogant - and here you are high-highhandedly dismissing my post without actually responding to what it said. Anyway, let me try again: i) I said it was a reasonable hypothesis, not that we know for sure; ii) we know that the Labour vote is not evenly distributed and it holds a number of Leave-supporting marginals; iii) I haven't argued otherwise.
This is a circular argument: you want him to stand down because he hasn't given you what you want.No - if he gave me what I wanted, which is for him to recognise that he's a fucking disaster and stand down, I'd be delighted. Until then, I'll stay furious. Almost anyone else as leader of Labour would by now have killed Brexit stone dead. Instead we've got the two worst party leaders of modern times chasing each other to take the country down the plughole.
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Anyone know why Kier Starmer hasn't been mentioned as a potential party leader?
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I think he has - frequently.Mister Paul wrote: ↑4 years agoAnyone know why Kier Starmer hasn't been mentioned as a potential party leader?
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That idiot Jacob Rees-Mogg has put his foot in it while trying to link England's Cricket World Cup victory to Brexit - perhaps emulating Trump's foolish call to send some US-born political opponents "home"? If only the scorn being expressed about both pronouncements would stand some chance of sticking, but it probably won't.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... criticised
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Nice to see that, during his silence over the last few months, he has been waiting to deliver something truly compelling.
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Meanwhile, enjoy the NHS while you still can. If Boris wants an early trade deal with the USA, it will surely involve giving greater access to the NHS to US healthcare firms, or at least an understanding with Trump that this will follow. And that surely spells the end of many of the essential principles of the NHS, as those US firms will probably insist on moving away from a universal provision towards some form of get-what-you-pay-for model.
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Rees-Mogg - "We clearly don't need Europe to win [the cricket]"
Twitter - "Your Captain is Irish"
Twitter - "Your Captain is Irish"
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Not to mentionMister Paul wrote: ↑4 years agoRees-Mogg - "We clearly don't need Europe to win [the cricket]"
Twitter - "Your Captain is Irish"
Jason Roy, South African
Tom Curran, Zimbabwean father and formerly registered as South African.
Jofra Archer, Barbadian (if that is the right word)
And last but a good way from least
Ben Stokes, who pretty much left his heart out on the pitch, Kiwi born.
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Don't forget the pair of Muslims.LowlifeDes wrote: ↑4 years agoNot to mention
Jason Roy, South African
Tom Curran, Zimbabwean father and formerly registered as South African.
Jofra Archer, Barbadian (if that is the right word)
And last but a good way from least
Ben Stokes, who pretty much left his heart out on the pitch, Kiwi born.
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